Barron's Banks on $100 Oil
Barron's case for $100 oil by year-end:
- The Saudi's plan (confirmed today) to boost production by 2%.
- A declining rate of consumption as consumers cut back on gas and oil by-products that are becoming increasingly expensive.
- The Fed's pledge to fight inflation could boost the dollar, whose decline was a decisive factor in oil's rise.
- A possible U.S. sale of oil stocks from its strategic petroleum reserve [SPR].
- President Bush's proposal to allow offshore oil drilling off Florida, the East and West coasts, and Alaska, where billions of barrels may lie.
Barron's also makes a slightly more sophisticated argument:
One reason for the strength in crude has been modest U.S. inventories. Bill Klesse, chief executive of Valero Energy (VLO), the largest North American oil refiner, told analysts last month that the inventory data may be misinterpreted as a sign of oil scarcity, though it is more a function of the recent state of the oil market, in which futures prices were below spot prices, giving refiners little incentive to maintain excess supply. If the Saudis sell enough oil to drive down spot prices relative to futures prices, refiners and others will be induced to buy and hold more oil in inventory, he said. The oil market is moving to such a configuration, with the current, or spot price of $135 below the December 2008 price of $136.
Assuming crude does plunge $20-30 a barrel, it says, E&P companies like Devon Energy (DVN), Apache (APA) and XTO Energy (XTO), which have booked hefty gains over the past year, could be in trouble. Majors like ExxonMobil (XOM), Chevron (CVX), ConocoPhillips (COP), BP (BP), Shell (RDS.A) and Marathon Oil (MRO) might hold up better due to their refining businesses and their more reasonable valuations.
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In the same article, Barron's also admits oil "may indeed hit $200/barrel" over the next decade.
So just to make it clear, is "The Saudis could roil the markets with a pronouncement June 22; the dollar could revive or demand could plummet, or all three. And if prices start falling, the downturn could accelerate, sending crude back to $100," a prophetic vision, or a suggestion to short oil based on solid fundamental analysis? Is Barron's calling a top to the "oil bubble" - or just trying to stir the pot?
For those looking to do more research on oil prices and where they're headed, Seeking Alpha's Oil Price page is a great starting point.
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- oregonrain
- 35 Comments
Jun 22 03:25 PMBut, right now this smells like a bubble that has not hit the top yet. As people smarter than me have said one of the key elements of a bubble is that they always have fundamentals going their way...to start. Then they get over done.
There still seems to be a lot of this "oil going to $100" out there. So I am thinking that this bubble has a way to go before it pops. Just yesterday as my 20 year old son and I drove to a store he mentioned that he had heard that oil would go down to $100. He never talks about stuff like that.
I want to see all the headlines saying....."oil going to $200" and everyone running around with their hair on fire for a bit longer. I want my "shoeshine boy" (not that I have one) tell me to BUY BUY BUY oil. Then its time to short short short.
I think this Saudi "announcement&quo... is just lip service...they could care less. If they could pump more at these prices I think they would be doing it. I have been convinced reading here that 250,000 barrels a day more (is about what they can really do now ) is not going to move things all that much.
The thing that would make me change my outlook is if the Fed really raises rates soon. That would make me a believer that they want to start the painful process of wring out inflation and that would hit oil hard as the dollar firmed. Right now I do not see them doing that.
So that is the way it looks from out here in the trees.
- SWRichmond
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Jun 22 03:27 PMIf the demand destruction that Barron's allegedly expects actually materializes, we will have other things to worry about.
The only question that remains is the one that has begged an answer since this thing began: are "they" still in control of events, or are events in control of "them"?
Looks to me like it's #2.
- SWRichmond
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Jun 22 03:30 PM- dieuwer
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Jun 22 04:05 PM- twocentseditor
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Jun 22 04:16 PMThere is an awful lot of talking going on right now with regards to oil and the Dollar. Neither is having much of an effect as of June. US demand has not decreased by even a significant amount, and if we were to see a crash in US demand, our problems would be much larger than oil.
The only problem I see with Valero's CEO assessment is that if he is right, then we should be seeing a glut in the producer areas since refineries aren't stockpiling. We aren't seeing that reported anywhere..
Count on an increase of shenanigans, but unfortunately, I'm dubious of a sustained decrease in prices.
- chris_b
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Jun 22 04:18 PM- barnburner
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Jun 22 04:43 PM- Bill Murray
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Jun 22 04:45 PM- omodes123
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Jun 22 05:08 PM- BrucePile
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Jun 22 05:19 PMAs for what the dollar does, the price of oil has been charted in the other major currencies, and the big climb happens there too (just a little more moderate).
What is really behind the price climb is not total oil production versus demand. It's total exported conventional crude - and this is severely lagging total production and has been falling since '05. As global peak production is approached, a much higher portion of total liquids is unconventional and consumed by the enriched producing nation (see the Export Land Model ELM). This presents two big problems few consider. The unconventional oil (oil sand, shale, deep water) all must be ground up, heated up, or manufactured with massive amounts of fossil fuel as opposed to conventional oil, which traditionally comes spewing out of the ground already made up for us and ready to put into a pipeline! This produces a net energy math problem such that you net only about 1 out of every 3 barrels added from all these sources that have EROI around 3-5. This means it takes 3 barrels of deep water or tar sands oil to replace each barrel of declining conventional crude production! Compound this with the math of ELM, and you have a much sharper decline in net energy supplied than just the total "oil" production numbers indicate. And net exported net energy is what is setting oil prices. This is becoming more and more detached from what has always been considered "oil production", but nobody seems to understand this.
- Brahm
- 51 Comments
Jun 22 06:15 PMLast week,for example, the EIA reported that gasoline consumption was lower by 1.8% from last year (?). Nobody can make a rational case that the massive inceease in the price of energy has not or will not change behaviour of American consumers or drivers, especially those at the lower end of the middle class. I have seen changes in behaviour of drivers in the middle and upper middle class on the street I live on. SUV's. common on this street formerly, have been traded away or quite often are found to remain parked for very long periods. The formerly shunned and lowly small cars are becoming fashinable to drive!
So oil bulls, in my view Barrons has something to its argument for at least the immediate period for the short or intermediate term. A 2% drop in consumption over a couple of months in the US will do wonders for the price of oil. Long term though the price of oil is still going to be on uptrend.
- phillips49
- 44 Comments
Jun 22 06:56 PM- Alan in Honolulu
- 2 Comments
Jun 22 07:02 PMI'm also long geothermal as a long term solution to base load power demand and a renewable "green" alternative.
- Alan in Honolulu
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Jun 22 07:06 PM- SWRichmond
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Jun 22 07:32 PMI'd agree with you except this time it's all eyes on the dollar. Everyone's watching; I'm betting that the US politicos will do everything to prevent a deflation, and that means massive reinflation. Not one of them (except one from Texas) has the balls to tell the American people that it's time for pain. If you're buying oil with dollars, this one has a ways to go.
- redbaron
- 142 Comments
Jun 22 07:54 PMwww.thestreet.com/_yah...
His logic says that gasoline consumption has dropped by 1%, while the price of crude has doubled. Wow! That is really some demand destruction.......or words to that effect. A whole 1%, which is essentially nothing. A whole lot of folks are trying to talk the price of oil down, but I think it is just that....talk. In the meantime, new sources are not coming on-line as fast as old sources are drying up. IMHO
- redbaron
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Jun 22 07:54 PM- redbaron
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Jun 22 07:55 PM- ari5000
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Jun 22 08:17 PMI was just visiting New York for a week. Traffic was insane at almost every time of day except 10:30 at night and there were still plenty of cars driving around.
Sorry, but there's no good substitute for the car. Not yet. Not enough to make an impact when the global population is growing fast and sucking up all the extra oil anyway. This world is far too entrenched in oil to impact the reality of Peak Oil. Sure it could go to 100 --- now what do you think traders will do if it dropped that low?
I'd hoard all I could via futures before it went back up to 200/barrel. And so would any other rational investor. Thus -- the chances of a dip of that magnitude occurring, I think, is small.
- sliman
- 122 Comments
Jun 22 08:32 PM- Romania
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Jun 22 08:56 PMOn the demand side, I think you have to separate real demand versus speculative demand. Those of us who buy say the USO are not expecting delivery of X number of barrels of oil at some point in the future yet we are executing a trade that exactly resembles that of a true producer or seller of oil who is in fact awaiting the shipping or delivery of a barrel of oil. Those trading with no expectation of delivery are in fact affecting the price of oil. Real demand is actually subsiding on a per month basis this year and over the last few years has been met with adequate supply. It is the speculative demand that is creating the problem. For those of us that can see through the obvious and understand that their are capitalistic forces at work, will appreciate that it is the investment banks and whales that are creating this environment. No bubble can happen without a huge amount of capital. The tech bubble was financed to death and trillions were made and then it burst. The money then rotated into the housing market and then that collapsed. The money has now gone into commodities including oil which will eventually burst. Don't know when, but it will. Morgan Stanley recently upped its date for oil to hit $150 by July 4. How convenient for them as this coincided with Congress recognizing the level of speculation I pointed out above. Legislation will follow to curb it. Also, interesting is that Goldman and Morgan were the only two American investment banks invited to the Saudi Conference today. Wake up everyone. If you are trading in the oil patch, just be nimble and cautious and don't invest your life savings. Don't buy into the story that has been created and invest blindly. Personally, I'm just playing ROYL at this time, which is a natural gas play. Have traded the PDO and FPP's already and may buy some again, but I will do so cautiously.
- Inflation4allnations
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- toomuchgas
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Jun 22 09:27 PM- elvsinus
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Jun 22 09:59 PM- hthorse1
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Jun 22 11:43 PM1 - There may not be billions of gallons of oil. No one knows for sure.
Finding out can take years.
2 - If significant oil is found it will take more years to bring out in large quantities.
3 - It doesn't matter how much oil you find if there is no refining capacity. Building refineries will also take years
- Donald E. L. Johnson
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Jun 23 01:33 AMIf Bernanke and Paulson's jawboning the markets won't depress prices, price manipulation by various consuming and exporting countries' politicians might do the trick.
Institutional investors will sharply curtail their speculating in the futures markets.
- Navivest
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Jun 23 04:09 AM- decoflair
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Jun 23 05:35 AM- Michael Levy
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Jun 23 08:26 AMHigh oil prices that are governed by the commodity markets are in dire need of common sense law and order. When speculation and detrimental logic and reasoning take central command of human society, the results always turn out to be damaging to the majority, at the abundance of the few. The experts and speculators will argue we need free markets and any interference will take away free trade. Well, in many cases they are correct, however, when it comes to essential commodities of food and energy they are completely out of order. Here are a few reasons why essential commodity markets require new legislation.
1. There has been no shortage of gas at any filling station for the past 10 years yet prices are up 1200% because of futures trading going out more than eight years. Even the Saudi oil minister has recently stated the price of a barrel of oil should be no more than $70.00. Demand from China and India is still far less than that of the USA. The Chinese stock market is down 50% signifying a sharp slow down. This news still is not enough to stop the wild speculators hiking the oil prices.
2. When hurricanes hit Florida many gas stations are closed and there is a real shortage of gas for a few days. However, if a gas station increases its prices they will be prosecuted for price gauging. Therefore, if we take the experts argument that there is a shortage of oil then that still does not give anyone the right to profit from the shortage as this is deemed to be prices gauging. How can the USA governments have double standards and prosecute gas station owners who price gauge and not treat commodity markets in the same manner?
3. Oil is an essential commodity for every day living in the same way as water is an essential commodity. It makes no sense to trade water so why leave oil in the hands of anyone who wants to make a quick buck gambling on prices.
4. Pension and hedge fund managers have invested billions of dollars in oil futures. The futures markets are very volatile, thus, no place for pension funds to risk the money for people who trust them to build future wealth. The fiduciary duty of a pension fund manger is to find reasonable returns with low risk and the commodity markets is not that place.
5. If the price of oil was regulated between $40.00 - $80.00 a barrel, the price could go up and down on supply and demand. This would be fair to everyone, for even when supply was plentiful, the price would not drop below $40.00 which will still give a fair profit to most oil related industries. When oil is in short supply the price would be limited to a ceiling of $80.00 which is more acceptable to world economies.
6. There is a moral issue that greed cannot come before peoples basic needs ... No right-minded, ethical, principled government can allow starvation and financial ruin because of a system of trading that is completely out of control.
7. The price of a barrel of oil effects transport, food supply, industrial production and every part of modern day living. If terrorists wanted to devise a plan to destroy the world. economies what better way than finding a method to allow oil to trade at $140.00 a barrel. Why play a game that makes terrorists and anarchists happy.
8. Goodwill to all people is the credo every democratic country is built upon.$140.00 a barrel oil delivers no goodwill. It only brings hardship and political uneasiness.
9. Noble deeds and fair dealing is the hallmark of success for every truly prosperous person. Since the world is made-up from people, where are the noble deeds and fair dealing in the commodity pits.
10. We are all put on earth to help each other succeed in the pursuit of freedom, liberty and happiness. There is no freedom when people are slaves to greed. There are only liberty takers when oil trades over $80.00 a barrel. And finally financial hardship brings misery and discontent.
The time for change in essential commodity trading is now. To quote a few voices from the past...
“Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor”_Thomas Jefferson
“For greed all nature is too little.”_Seneca
“It is greed to do all the talking but not to want to listen at all” _ Democritus
“He who is greedy is always in want.” _Horace
- John Pseudonym
- 217 Comments
Jun 23 09:14 AMOver the long term of 5 to 10 years the price of oil will continue to rise. there will be up and downs, but if you buy the big dips you will make a fortune.
- Right in San Francisco
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Jun 23 12:31 PM1. Stop the speculators by releasing some of the strategic petroleum reserve.
2. Develop our resources - drilling; shale
3. Include nuclear in the long range solution.
- Investor612
- 36 Comments
Jun 23 01:46 PM"In the next decade, oil indeed may hit $200 a barrel. But prices could fall to $100 a barrel by the end of this year if Saudi Arabia makes good on its pledge to increase production; global demand eases; the Federal Reserve begins lifting short-term interest rates; the dollar rallies, and investors stop pouring money into the oil market. China raised prices on retail gasoline and diesel fuel by 18% Thursday, in a move that is expected to curb demand."
Hmmm.
IF Saudi Arabia increases production.
IF global demand eases
IF the FED raises rates
IF the dollar rallies
IF investor bullishness on oil cools
That's a lot of "IF's" to making predictions on.
- nakedjaybird
- 371 Comments
Jun 23 02:27 PMIn the early 1970's we concluded it was going to take hybrid electric vehicles for anything beyond the basic 40-50 mile daily commuter using fully electric cars, when and if he was ready to switch from huge gas guzzlers (we knew this because we built and tested electric vehicles! And, there is a market for both types of vehicles). The shackles have been off for the private sector for 40 years.
We were also growing silicon ribbon and producing solar volataic panels in the 70's. The shackles have been off for the private sector for 40 years.
We have used windmills for long before many of you folks existed. Seems like we know how to make and use all of the components. The shackles have been off the private sector for a long time.
One of the major problems is the selfish consumer. His shackles have been off - he's had some free choices.
Another major problems is we have permitted our Government give our tax dollars to big oil thru tax breaks (research, investestment credits, depleption allowances, and on and on).
WE HAVE NOT DONE THE RIGHT THINGS;
NOT EVEN THE THINGS WE WERE/ARE CAPABLE OF DOING. BUT........... THAT ..........
Didn't stop France from going 80% nuclear.
Didn't stop Germany from going 40% solar.
Didn't stop Brazil from going 60% biofuel.
Didn't stop Switzerland (and many other European countries) from going electrified rails for people and goods, and even electric ferries (they put rubber tired hiway diesel busses on electrified rail cars for certain legs of their journeys).
Didn't stop Europe from building and using small economical cars, nor electric delivery vehicles, etc.
So where has the US been??
I guarantee you, without LEADERSHIP, we will not get there....................
We have had the techonologies; we've had the money; we've had the resoures; we've had our heads somewhere, like where the sun doesn't shine.
AND FOR THAT, THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
- Goody
- 5 Comments
Jun 24 06:36 AM- Prognostic
- 39 Comments
Jun 24 07:15 PMIf the U.S. consumer on the average cuts his consumption by 2% that is equal to 1 (appx) barrel of oil per person per year. That frees up about 250 million barrels of oil per year.
It is the math above that pundits forecast when talking about China and India's demand increase. When the U.S. consumer cuts his consumption the Saudis will choke in their sleep. $100/barrel oil is not optimistic talk -- it is a reality that will happen.
- catbird
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Jun 24 08:11 PM- Peter Sterling
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Jun 28 10:03 AMHere is how America can fix itself up:
www.strategicnine.com/...
The "America First" Energy Plan for safe, secure domestic supplies of Transportation energy.
AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN'S: BASIC ELEMENTS FOR AN ACTION PLAN
Proposed Presidential Executive Orders:
Declare an energy emergency and set aside the OCS and ANWR moratoriums and some permitting requirements so as to fast-track various critical new energy developments.
Declaration granting a tax holiday for declared special "American Energy Economic Zones" (AEEZ), see below.
Declaration temporarily eliminating up front oil and gas lease payments, royalties and other imposts, as well as regulatory delays.
Declaration making available $200 billion p.a. in low-cost construction financing guarantees and other incentives for new energy projects in AEEZ areas.
Proposed Government Actions;
1) Cancel the Moratorium on drilling on the US Continental Shelf today.
2) Cancel the Moratorium on drilling on the Artic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) 1002 area today.
3) Support the three international waters resources rights Claims made by American Companies to contiguous oil and gas reserves that could be developed without any regulatory lags. (See; strategicnine.com and unoilgas.com ).
4) Put aside most of the timeline and permitting requirements for urgent, identified critical energy projects as listed here in declared "American Energy Economic Zones" (AEEZ) “in the national interest” by creating a fast-track office to evaluate and approve requested leases within 90 days.
5) Allow unsolicited OCS Lease Applications anywhere immediately, grant them on a first-in first granted basis.
6) Enlarge new OCS post-moratorium lease block sizes from the paltry 5 mile by 5 mile area to a more realistic size of perhaps 100 miles by 100 miles in frontier regions.
7) Provide a ten year tax and impost holiday on strategic new oil and gas development projects in AEEZ areas. Offer matching funds for seismic and EM surveys to be repaid from eventual production to get oil flowing sooner.
8) Provide low-cost loan guarantees for development of urgently required new oil and gas project infrastructure in AEEZ areas.
9) Provide low-cost Government guarantees or loans for offshore oil and gas ships and vessels built to work in the US AEEZ areas for the next 5 years.
10) Temporarily exempt approved oil and gas projects within the AEEZ areas from the US Cabotage laws so that projects can more quickly secure production equipment from overseas shipyards.
11) Set Aside Regulatory Delays for projects within the AEEZ areas. Make regulatory bodies set up departments to “fast-track” approval of energy projects to clear hurdles within 3-6 months.
12) Eliminate Frivolous and Mendacious Lawsuit Delays for projects in AEEZ areas: Create a special court to hear energy related cases with a mandate to adjudicate cases within 7 days. Example: the lawsuits currently stopping Shell from drilling off Alaska, partly on the basis that their ships might bump into whales; if applied to the rest of the world’s oceans would cease all shipping and world trade!
13) Provide 250,000 new grants for students to pay for college for future petroleum engineers and geologists, and for technical petroleum production job training programs.
14) Eliminate any royalties, taxes and permitting costs on critical new energy projects in AEEZ areas for ten years, to enable energy companies to spend every dollar of risk capital they have on US drilling, building production equipment, and related expenses, as only holes in the ground will solve the energy problem.
15) For transport; Provide tax and other incentives to build distribution infrastructure and car-truck conversion stations to switch 25% of the US vehicular fleet to compressed natural gas within 10 years. This will lower demand for oil and lower CO2 emissions, and would require approximately 5 Trillion cubic feet (Tcf) per annum of gas.
- Ames Tiedeman
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