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(Update below) Monday it was made public that Chairman Martin not only would be issuing a draft order regarding the merger of Sirius (SIRI) and XM (XMSR), but that he indeed supported the merger. This is probably the most positive news that SDARS has seen since the DOJ announced approval back in March.

What Monday’s activities mean, at a minimum, is that Sirius and XM have reached an agreement in principal with the Chairman of the FCC, and likely some of the other commissioners as well, that would allow the merger to progress.

I have stated that I expected the draft order to be circulated by Wednesday. I would expect that Sirius and XM have already made a filing outlining not only the voluntary concessions that could not be mandated by the FCC, but also the other concessions that were within the power of the FCC to mandate. I would anticipate this filing to be published on the FCC website as early as Tuesday morning. This filing will give the basis for the vote that the commissioners will have within the next couple of weeks. The filing will also give the street their first look at the concession list.

It is my opinion that at this point all concession negotiations are now essentially complete, and the vote is the finish line that sector watchers have been looking and yearning for. All of this is now within sight.

Understanding that 1) negotiations are complete and 2) that Martin, who supports the merger, would not call a vote unless he was relatively sure of the outcome, causes me to conclude that a positive outcome is only two weeks or so away.

For whatever reason the street was still a bit gun shy about Monday’s news, but that may well change when we get concrete evidence of the exact conditions of approval. Monday, analysts offered various opinions:

RBC analyst David Banks outlined the timing of events, which I happen to agree with:

1) An official order is issued by the FCC.

2) The Chairman and 4 FCC Commissioners (3 Republicans, 2 Democrats) submit votes—the Republican votes are likely to come first. This is where modest additional delays could occur as one of the Republican Commissioners could refrain from voting (due to unrelated political agenda) (I, Tyler Savery believe this is Tate) unless a public meeting is held.

3) The final 2 Commissioners (likely to be the 2 Democrats—Copps and Adelstein) customarily have 10 days following the Monday after the 3rd Commissioner vote (likely to be either McDowell or Tate) to submit their votes. Precedent indicates Democrats would probably not try to delay the approval process further if 3 other Commissioners vote in favor of deal.

4) Merger is officially approved by the FCC.

I believe that Banks and his source are very correct in the timeline. If the 3 votes all happen by this Monday, then we could see the other two by the first week in July. If Sirius and XM have been successful in their meetings with Copps and Adelstein (they may have more meetings this week in my opinion), then the 10 day wait may not happen. This would allow for approval by the end of June. I have long felt, and expressed in the past, that commissioner Tate was somewhat of a wild card that would ultimately vote to approve the deal and that it was a matter of concessions.

Barrington sees a longer process and states, “FCC Chairman Kevin Martin is now reported to back approval of the satellite radio merger. The other four commissioners have not weighed in with their votes. Still, Mr. Martin’s support should strongly tilt the balance toward approval. A favorable ruling by the FCC along with the prior approval of the DOJ could enable closing of the deal perhaps as soon as over the next several weeks, though there would still be a couple of issues to iron out.”

I guess the definition of “’several” needs to be considered. I have always looked at “several” as a number greater than a “few” and less than a “dozen”. In my mind “several always translated into 7 or 8. I simply do not see the merger process going on that long.

Wachovia’s Jeff Wlodarczak sees the merger gaining approval, but feels that upside is already built in to a certain extent. The analyst stated, “We continue to believe sat radio cost structures and business models need to be right-sized for a market that is significantly smaller than the companies originally anticipated. While merger approval at this point appears to be an inevitability, a roughly $11B combined company enterprise value already reflects a very rosy scenario in our view.”

To a certain extent, I agree that the upside is limited in the short term. It will take a few quarters for everyone to fully grasp where SDARS is headed in a post merger situation. The longer term outlook in my opinion is fine, but the size of the immediate pop may be held back by battle fatigued investors.

Tom Watts of Cowen feels that the concessions outlined today are better than expected. In his note, Watts stated, “Two More Votes Needed, Likely Over Next Week. Two of the remaining four commissioners must support him, which we expect. We expect final FCC approval by the end of next week.”

I agree that the votes needed are likely in hand. The timing of the end of next week is also something that I feel is not only reasonable, but likely. Watts rates XM an outperform.

Utendahl's Alden Mahabir sees the concessions as on par with their expectations, but is unsure of the outcome. The analyst noted, “We believe it is hard to say which way the other four commissioners will vote, as they have been fairly tight-lipped in their opinion. That said, some of the commissioners could find that the transaction may need additional conditions before being approved or that the merger is anti-competitive altogether.”

While this opinion seems off kilter with my own, nothing is never a foregone conclusion until it happens. I happen to believe that Martin would not have taken this step unless he had a relative certainty about the outcome. The fact that Sirius and XM executives are making the rounds at the FCC leads me to believe that there is a comfort level on at least three votes. Mahabir has a $4.00 and $19.00 target on Sirius and XM respectively under a merger approval situation.

Janco feels that Martin's endorsement and a vote along party lines could mean approval at any point in time. In a note Monday, Janco commented on some of the conditions: “There were two new conditions that we saw: First, the allocation of 24 channels for noncommercial and minority broadcasters; and second, the notion of “open radio”. The 24 channels were higher than we had expected; however, we do not believe that SIRI/XMSR will walk away from the deal over 24 channels. “Open radio” allows any manufacturer to produce a satellite radio, which we think is a nice idea in concept; however, the limited volume will probably not be attractive to many of the CE manufacturers. Therefore, we do not believe this condition will have an effect one way or another.”

I see the conditions as not stripping away value. The channels will still be part of the Sirius and XM system, and will not be available to non-subscribers in my opinion. This means that regardless of what is on them, Sirius and XM will get value for them any way.

In my opinion, there is market confusion over Monday's activities. The step taken Monday is much bigger than many think. This is essentially a green light for the merger, and the formality of a vote is the only missing component. The concessions are not overly harsh, and do not strip away synergies or value from the deal. The conditions allow the company to preserve the existing service for the customer base while at the same time allowing for room to migrate to a single system.

There seem to be several opinions, but in simple terms, it is my opinion that this deal is now signed and sealed. It is only the delivery that we are waiting on. For sector watchers, some of the confusion that happened Monday will gain clarity in the next couple of days.

Update: The formal letter outlining the concessions of the merger was posted to the FCC website Tuesday morning. The market will now be able to digest exactly what the FCC commissioners are voting on. This letter represents the agreements that Sirius and XM have made regarding the merger, and the issues that the commissioners will consider with the draft order issued by FCC Chairman Kevin Martin. Concessions include:

A-LA-CARTE PROGRAMMING

  • 50 channels for $6.99 with additional channels priced at $.25 cents each Capped at $12.95
  • 100 channels for $14.99
  • A-La-Carte radios will be available within three months

BEST OF BOTH PROGRAMMING

  • Subscribers will receive their base service (Sirius or XM) and will get the best of the other service for $16.99

MOSTLY MUSIC OR SPORTS NEWS AND TALK

  • Available for $9.99

FAMILY FRIENDLY

  • An $11.95 price for base subscriptions and a $14.95 price for the best of both subscriptions

PUBLIC INTEREST CHANNELS

  • The combined company will set aside 4% of the full time channels. Part time channels get aggregated. This currently represents 6 channels from Sirius and 6 channels from XM
  • An additional 4% will be leased to a qualified entity which Sirius and XM have no editorial control. The 4% will be maintained as compression technology advances

OPEN ACCESS

  • To be included within 1 year of the merger

SERVICE TO PUERTO RICO

  • Service within three months of merger

INTEROPERABLE RECEIVERS

  • Available within 1 year of merger

RATE FREEZE

  • 36 month rate freeze

In my opinion the concessions outlined are not overly burdensome, and do not strip away synergies of the merger. Many concessions are outlined for public interest, and in the interest of the consumer. Sirius and XM maintain control over their network, and can grow their business as technology advances.

[FCC Filing]

Position - Long Sirius, XM.

This article has 62 comments:

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    Jun 18 07:59 AM
    Thanks for the insight. Your on top of things as always, but "nothing is never" set in stone as you said.
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    Jun 18 08:47 AM
    i was begining to think you sold out tyler glad to see you again, good article.
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    Jun 18 08:51 AM
    Out of curiousity what are SIRI/XM recourse if the DOJ has approved, Martin has approved with say 1 other person so the vote falls short within the FCC? And I do agree, we have investor burnout, a changing user market that people are mistaking the extended acquisition and purchase delays too, so we'll see a pickup in demand as the transition gets completed in the next year.
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    Jun 18 09:53 AM
    TYLER THIS MARKET IS RIDICULOUS! WHY IS SIRIUS BACK DOWN AFTER THE POST-MERGER CONFIRMATION ANNOUNCEMENT? CITIGROUP UPPED TO $9? WHY IS THE STOCK SLIDING THEN??
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    Jun 18 10:45 AM
    I DONT GET IT EITHER WTF??
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    Jun 18 11:04 AM
    MARTIN WOULD HAVE NEVER GONE PUBLIC IF HE DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD THE SURPORT TO APPROVE THIS. JUST WISHED THE FCC TOOK THE DRAMA OUT OF THIS AND HAD THE 5 COMM VOTE BEFORE GOING PUBLIC. TO ME THIS IS A BARGIN AT THIS PRICE MY GUESS $5.00 ON THE POP
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    I believe Investor response will mirror the "Broadcast" of the approval over NAB controlled sources. The coverage of this may be stifled by those TV based Broadcasters that have a vested interest in radio stations.
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    Jun 18 12:50 PM
    Low cost high volume stocks like siri always look crazy in these types of markets.

    Additionally, I think that there is a huge number of unsophisticated investors constantly buying and selling this stock with no discernable strategy: which is in turn making this stock price go bonkers.

    I myself have had 2 margin calls over the past few months because of it. But I'm not sweating it because I know that my 10,000 shares in the next year will be valued well beyond what they are now.

    If you need any further convincing that this is truly a good company, check out the balance sheet and see how the are getting progressively better year by year. Now on top of that, imagine how much better they will look post merger with more than double the subscribers and the absence of their biggest competitor (XM).

    I don't know if siri is the company of the future like many is saying: A siri receiver in every ipod, computer, and phone which will also on day include tv along with radio. But I DO KNOW that there are profits to be made over the next year IF the merger is a go.

    I can’t stress enough: HANG IN THERE!
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    Jun 18 01:23 PM
    "Several - more than two but fewer than many"

    www.merriam-webster.co...
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    Jun 18 02:31 PM
    tyler HOW can sirius be dropping post-merger quasi approval, hovering near its 52 week f*** lows??!?!?!?!?!?! THIS IS A DAMNED SCAM!!!!
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    Jun 18 02:32 PM
    THAT MOTHERF**** FROM CITI WHO GAVE SIRIUS A $9 TARGET IS LYING THROUGH HIS @$$!!!!! SOB!!!! IF IT WAS A LEGITIMATE TARGET, IT WOULDNT BE NEAR ITS 52 WEEK LOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Ace...

    I have still been around, and have been publishing articles. Seeking Alpha does nt pick up everything I write. You can see more at my website.

    Others....

    It sure is down, and that is frustrating. I think people want the merger done, not almost done.
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    Jun 18 03:45 PM
    tyler...,sirius is at 2.37 NEAR its 52 week low of $2.36..HOW MUCH LOWER ON THIS DAMNED STOCK??? ESPECIALLY In light of the FCC commissioners approval! THIS HAS BEEN A NAUSEATING STOCK TO HOLD SO HELP ME GOD!! any thoughts on the matter???!!! thx
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    Jun 18 05:34 PM
    EVERYONE RELAX.......... This is the final buying opportunity before the merger in 2 weeks. Back up the truck, and load up as it drops. Dollar cost average your total # of shares. Most of you have never bought it this low. Downside risk is minimal!!! You will be kicking yourself in 2 weeks if you do not. Run Blue Dog Run!!!!!!!!!!
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    Jun 18 06:45 PM
    xmsr and siri which tyler is both long, are both in danger of breaking their 52 week lows...they are not going to be profitable for another 3 years..WHY is the smart money apparently so bearish on the damned companies in light of martins approval?? I JUST DONT GET IT; tyler thoughts?
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    Jun 18 07:24 PM
    Killerkaul, you said it, JUST RELAX. I would not worry about the 2.35. Here is why not countining today, SIRI has come close or hit the 2.35 So many times I cant count but for no reason it has always come back up. There have been reasons it should have went lower but did not. As a matter of fact Tyler had made a comment or article on this I think it was in mid Apr.
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    Jun 18 08:01 PM


    I have to say, the concession that bothers me most, is the one that makes them provide service to Puerto Rico. My god that makes me so mad. Someone should tell Martin good job in extracting that one. WHAT DO THEY WANT BLOOD FROM A STONE. I mean hell, now they are going to have to deal with a new pool of potential subscribers. Dam the FCC, DAM THEMMMM!!!!!!!!



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    Jun 18 08:04 PM
    I just thought you guys need a laugh. Mel Karmazin is the best, you have to love having him on your team.
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    Jun 18 10:32 PM
    163888........Picked up another $10,000 at $2.40 today. How about you? Will try for another $10,000 tomorrow. Puerto Rico huh! Coudn't find much of you guys today. See you tomorrow.
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    Jun 19 12:32 AM
    Hey Tyler, do you have any insight on plans to expand the video business? It would be really cool if I could dump my Cablevision for a few key TV channels from X/S.
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    Jun 19 07:41 AM
    Stan, I think that is at least 6 years away, The interoperable radio has to be standard so they can cut overlaping content to make room for it, unless compression tech improves sooner. I do agree with what you are saying, that down the road this company is going to be such a media powerhouse.

    Killerkaul, I still have those channel shares I got at 2.45 I will keep them til 3, now that we are close to a decision. I have so much of the stock now I need it to go to 2.1 or below before I would get more. Because if it gos lower then 2.3 - 2.35 the merger did not get approved.

    Hey Dsx down to 31.93, remember when I sold, I'll get that back if it gos below 30 again. unless the DBI is down big, or some other bad news.
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    Jun 19 08:26 AM
    SAVERY, BID-ASK IS 2.36-2.37 PRE-MARKET..WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? WHY HAVE YOU TOUTED THESE 2 STOCKS AND THEYVE DONE NOTHING BUT SLIDE??????? WHEN DOES THE BLOOD-LETTING STOP???? ANY THOUGHTS????
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    Jun 19 08:30 AM
    Pre-market action is a result of artile on The Deal regarding Commisioner Tate. Apparently she is wavering. Go to orbitcast.com to read. Let's hope she does the right thing and votes for the consumer and the merger rather than her own self interests.
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    Jun 19 09:14 AM
    2.25 IN PREMARKET. THIS STOCK IS UNBELIEVABLE.
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    Jun 19 09:21 AM
    GOLDMAN BASTARDS DOWNGRADED SIRIUS TO $1.75 & XM TO $6.50 TODAY..NICE GOING TYLER..WHY SO QUIET YOU #@&@*!()
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    Jun 19 09:50 AM
    User202507........ Shame on you. If you can't take the ups and downs of this game, you ought to go back to trading comics. You get stressed, and strike the nearest smaller girl on the swing set. What a baby! Get your toys and get your fat butt home to your mama, before a little girl comes along, and paddles your sniveling ass for you. Keep up the great work Tyler. 163888
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    Jun 19 09:52 AM
    cont..... 163888, Your thoughts on the downturn this morning?
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    Jun 19 10:04 AM
    killer kaul you f*idiot!! these stocks have been hyped and pumped for 2 years and they break the lows!!! know what youre talking about before you speak..citis $8 couple of days ago was bullsh******...tyler THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!! you should think about trading comic books instead
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    Jun 19 10:20 AM
    HOLY SHIT. UN-FRICKIN' BELIEVABLE. 2.00 AND SHE HASN'T EVEN BOTTOMED OUT YET. I JUST BOUGHT MORE THIS MORNING. WISH I WOULD'VE WAITED A HALF HOUR. I'M SICK TO MY STOMACH RIGHT NOW.
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    Jun 19 11:03 AM
    Welcome to the perfect storm. Downgrade during option expiration week= higher volatility. Not surprising we are this low. Wienkes' analysis is one sided. Retail is not going to pick anything until they know if they are merging or not. Duh. Second, 6.99 base price IS going to generate demand and people will keep it. Better than listening to Terrestial radio. Finally, XMSR has been running by itself. No one there like Mel to keep costs in line or push up revenues. As much as 50% of the combined S,G&A will be cut away, and the gross margin for both is projected to improve by 25% within the FIRST year. Buy on this stupid downgrade. I did.
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    Jun 19 11:15 AM
    stan... I believe you are right. a buying opportunity. Long Siri.
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    Jun 19 11:39 AM
    Wow...Options expiring, a downgrade from an obviously partial analyst, arbitrage over 10% when the deal is all but certain to get done. Can anyone say manipulation?

    What a bargain! I smell a 5-bagger here!
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    Jun 19 11:56 AM
    Citis put an over on the price target and GS put the under. Hopefully we reach the middle.
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    Jun 19 11:57 AM
    killerkaul and 202507 take this way to personally
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    Jun 19 12:45 PM
    cash..... I probably do. To see Tyler treated this way, after his providing all of the invaluable information, to you and I the investors, during this long fight, just hit a nerve. Some people shouldn't be trading stocks, if they haven't the heart for the ups and downs in the market. It must be great to be so perfect, that every personal action can be blamed on someone else. Accept the blame/applause for "you "decisions, and trades..........after doing the due diligence and homework. Nuff said on that. Again, I appreciate all youv'e done along the way Tyler.
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    Jun 19 12:58 PM
    Tyler is a good writer. We have to realize this stock is moved by the greater powers of options. All we can do is know that once the merger is complete, we can all cash out and make a little scratch (hopefully above 2.74 32.5k shares)
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    wow...a lot of opinions here. Goldmans note today took an immediate toll. This puts Goldman and Citi at opposite ends of the spectrum.

    I have said for some time that the lack of any real guidance from the companies has these stocks trading in a channel, and that there is a limit to the upside until more is known and understood by the street. That being said, it is only my opinion, and I am not trading the stocks. Many in the sector right now are trading in and out and playing the channel.

    I do not give financial guidance, and am simply reporting what the analysts are saying. Analysts that follow the sector have and reach their own opinions. There are typically aspects of every report that I agree or disagree with. I recommend that readers utilize various sources for information and opinion. I gave as much attention to the Goldman report as I did to the Citi Report.

    The fact that I am long both equities is not a recommendation for buying. It is simply a reflection of a position that I have, and have had for quite some time.
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    Jun 19 01:12 PM
    I just bought at 2.05 Goldman as been saying that crap for years.
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    Jun 19 01:22 PM
    HOW CAN THE SIRIUS/XM PLAY NOT BE FRUSTRATING TO ALL US LONGS WHO HAVE HELD THROUGHOUT FOR 2 YEARS NOW AND THIS CHANNEL YOU ALLUDE TO HAVE BEEN BROKEN DECISIVELY ON THE DOWNSIDE..GODMAN THOSE #@$@(@()#!!!
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    Jun 19 01:27 PM
    If the merger gos through yee haa, I love it. Sell you fools, Goldman is now saying something, new!!! he as alwas said this and most other analyst feel differently.

    I have to admit when I saw the down turn happen, I thought the merger failed. I just could not believe Goldman pushed it down that much. When I saw it was just him I bought. That was a close one, a little scary I thought no merger for a second. I love this.
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    Jun 19 01:32 PM
    202507, Because it was an analyst that has always been down on this sector that brought these down. If fools what to sell on the same old news from the same analyst. I will buy there. Thank god the merger still looks good. I was afraid for a second.
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    Jun 19 01:38 PM
    Hey, I have not seen these levels sence they had maybe a million subs between them. Stay calm and just wait.
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    Jun 19 01:50 PM
    163888... I thought the same thing for a short time this morn. However, couldn't find enough news in a volume, that would have indicated a failing of the merge. So bought another 2,475s at 2.02. I'm now kicking myself for not doubling that trade. Oh well. Wish I hadn't bought back at 2.25. I'm running low on investment cash. I'll have to see if I can sell anything soon. Luck on your trades. Looooooooooong Siri!!!
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    Jun 19 02:07 PM
    163888......... Just found out from one of my bro. firefighters, that the Adelstien on the FCC, is the son of local businessman/politition Stan Adelstien, here in my hometown of Rapid city, So. Dak. Small world huh.
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    Jun 19 02:08 PM
    Everyone can give an opinion; however, in the case of a merger like this one Goldman Sacs man gets the headlines.

    If this weren't an important merger there would not have been so much opposition to the merger as given to the FCC----it would have sailed through.

    For this writer, I view Goldman Sacs man as part of that problem and not the solution------his opinion is no better than anyone elses. Unless he is on the inside in either Siri or XMSR he cannot know what the truth is about the future of Satellite Radio.

    Another poster mentioned that the merger had hurt subscriptions -------I agreel

    One point that I tend to think is favorable is Puerto Rico having service------rather than it being a negative, I would think it would be a plus as it opens up a market for more customers.

    Thanks Tyler for your diligence in following the info flow.








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    Jun 19 02:17 PM
    Killerkaul, I have to say, I thought for sure news came out about the merger not going through. I just cant believe Goldman brought it down that much. He is ether going to look like a genus or a total idiot. I just saw the May NPD retail, not bad for SIRI YOY down 2% XMSR on the other hand, YOY 36 % down. I hope XMSRs other retail channels are doing much better.
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    Jun 19 02:27 PM
    Roxieanne, I agree totally with what you said.

    Also, you do know what I said about the concession on Puerto Rico was a joke, right. It was suppose to be sarcastic. I thought the comment I put just below, that said I just thought you guys needed a laugh, gave that away.
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    Jun 19 05:21 PM
    Haaa, the good old days. I remember them well. I wonder if there is another shock jock and media master that can come to SIRI to bring it up to 9 again. I guess we will just have to settle for a merger (maybe)of some kind.
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    Jun 19 07:11 PM
    Hey Folks just got back from a few days of rest and relaxation to find another great buying opportunity for SIRIUS thanks to our negative buddy over at Goldman Sucks. As I posted earlier I really don't care at this point if the merger goes through or not. I prefer the merger, but feel it is imperative that a decision be made on this deal by the end of the month for retail to have any chance in the fall. In reading the concessions it seems like Mel is ready to role out his products and get back to making money. As Tyler said, guidance from the company is essential to building good forecasting models.

    I take no more stock in GS analysts at 1.75, which hit his already previously projected target of 2.25 this week, than I do in Citi's analyst at $9. "Even a broken watch is right twice a Day". What I look to is increasing revenues and decreasing costs, sooner with the merger, but inevitable, even without as gross subscribers increase through OEM channels, and now Puerto Rico (maybe).

    Once a decision is made, one way or the other, guidance from the companies will resume and projection models will become more relevant. I do believe the merger will go through and this stock will correct with good business plan execution, but the FCC's drama along with wild projection ranges are providing angina in the markets. Tomorrow I will buy another 10,000 shares if I can get in bellow 2.15, so try and give me at least until 10:30am before popping this stock up so I can move some stuff around...OK, thanks. Relax and buy whatever you can and be able to hold until the 1st of the year and you will be pleased at your Patient Wisdom.
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    Jun 19 07:20 PM
    Oh by the way....What's with all of this "Shoot the Messenger BS". Tyler has been very soft on his projections of SIRI with folks including myself questioning his "battle fatigued" investor view. I have to admit he has been closer to the mark than many others I have read. Good job Tyler. If you want to trade this stock short term then enjoy your wins and losses or go to Vegas and have some fun instead, but don't blame anyone for what YOU DO.

    Long term on this stock is a dollar cost averaging game, with an important milestone right in front of you. So buy some, bring down your average cost per share, and hold on it is and has been a wild ride.
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    Jun 19 08:11 PM
    Hey cos1000, are you loving this are what. I cant help but chukle, I would be sad if they filed chapter 13, but think that is less of a chance now, then when I had my own funds to lose. I cant believe I was able to buy more at 2.05, holy shit man. Of course I wish I didnt start buying back at 4, but who knew, that after they got another 7.3 million more subs in just under 4 years it would be back here. I hate to say it (people are going to want to kill me), but I kind of would not mind it getting to 1.5. That would be the shit,I would go back into my own funds to buy more at that price.
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    Jun 20 10:02 AM
    163888.... Great post reply to Dave, on that old baron's article. Trying to figure out how low to put in a buy today on siri, I'm always just a little too high. How low will it go today. What does your crystal ball say???
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    Jun 20 11:19 AM
    Killerkaul, As I said, I dont think Dave will ever make any real money in the market unless he takes a chance every once in a while. Is it possible SIRI or XMSR gos lower or chapter 13, and we lose money, well yes. It it also possible these stocks are the next big thing in radio and they go as high as 50, 60, or 70 in 5 years,once again yes. He feels one way I feel the other. I personal have already experienced it once before in the satellite tv sector, so I can't help but to feel that it will happen again in the radio sector. He uses Goldman Sacs one of the most bearish analyst as an example, But you didnt see me using Citi analyst, why becuase they are both at total oppisites of each other. I look at all of them and take the average out look. I am not that dumb if the average of analysts was saying SIRI was not a stock to have, then I would not be in it. You know me I am also not one that thinks this stock is going to take off right away. That is why I would say I am a more reasonable person. Like I said I would not mind if it got to 1.5 again but that is me and I would have to get back to having some of my original investment back in.
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    Jun 20 11:20 AM
    What are the chances of a company like MSFT swooping in and buying a company like SIRI/XMSR as a trojan horse into the satellite/auto/content industry? I know they have Sync in Fords, but seems like it could be a remote possibility as devices and industries converge and overlap. I mean if iPods are competing with satellite radios, wouldn't it be in Microsoft's interest to see that SatRad succeeds, or at least get their fingers in the pie like they do with everything else? I think Ballmer and Co. should swoop in with a modest premium offer that will bail all us lil guys out that are taking a beating from this market manipulation. It's pocket change to them :o)
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    Jun 20 12:52 PM
    Killerkaul.....I just bought my 10,000 shares at 2.00. I brought my average cost per share to 2.50 which I am very happy with. Picking bottoms is very difficult. If 2.00 isn't the bottom then anything lower will be short lived. 163888 is sending shivers down spines with talk of chapter 13 and he is enjoying kicking Dave's butt on the BARRON's article. I doubt Dave has any money in the game at all.

    I'm less afraid of Chapter 13 with the heavy auto industry investment already made. GM has "skin" in the game with XM. Bailouts and raids from the big guys like quixsilver is talking about are more likely. Can you imagine Balmer and Mel in the same room with the same agenda. Many opportunities have been lost fishing for bottom. RUN BLUE DOG RUN!!!!!!!!!!
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    Jun 20 03:48 PM
    cos1000, Hey buddy, I thought I had to put it in as a possibility, also it was to show that some (Dave) have one view others and myself have the oppisite view. I to believe that financing will not be a problem for SIRI/XMSR. There was a article on Motley Fool that stated that there are other Big interest (auto, music,sports leagthat would not let this deal fall through due to financing.
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